LOOK, COMPARE, AND CONTRAST | Kerwin, Ronnie, and their testimonies
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MANILA, Philippines – In aid of legislation and palpably, in pursuit of truth. These are usually the aims of congressional inquiries.
But critics say these were apparently not achieved after alleged Eastern Visayas drug lord Kerwin Espinosa and Ronnie Dayan, former driver and security aide of Leila de Lima, testified last week before the Senate and the House of Representatives respectively on what they knew about the senator’s alleged connections to illegal drugs.
Espinosa and Dayan’s testimonies were supposed to connect the dots towards the truth. But many observed that their conflicting statements only created doubts and confusion.
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1. WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT KERWIN AND RONNIE HAD CONTACT?
Kerwin: In August 2015, we talked on the phone.
Dayan called me up in August 2015 and told me that then Justice Secretary Leila de Lima needed funds for her senatorial campaign. I received a call from an unnamed staff of De Lima, who asked for money and later identified himself as Dayan.
“Tumawag sa’kin driver-bodyguard ni Ma’am Leila sa panahon na ’yon. Pagtawag niya sinabi niya na si Ma’am Leila kailangan ng pondo sa 2016 elections,” Kerwin said during his testimony before the Senate on November 23, 2016.
“Sabi ko sa driver-bodyguard, pag-iisipan ko muna. Sa amin kasing mga iligalista hindi kami agad agad nakikipagusap lalo na sa mga nasa gobyerno,” added Kerwin.
Ronnie: In August 2014, we saw each other at the SM Mall of Asia in Pasay City.
“First time ko na-meet yung si Kerwin nung una naming pagkikita. Di ko pa alam ang pangalan n’ya noon, na s’ya pala yung si Kerwin…”
2. WHO FIRST CONTACTED WHOM?
Kerwin: Ronnie Dayan. I got a call from him. He introduced himself as driver-body guard of De Lima.
Ronnie: De Lima. She ordered me to meet someone at SM MOA.
3. WHO FACILITATED RONNIE AND KERWIN'S MEETING?
Kerwin: Albuera, Leyte police chief inspector Jovie Espenido
In the first or second week of August 2015, while I was diving in Anilao, Batangas, Espenido contacted me to say that a “driver/security aide” of De Lima wanted to talk to me. After a few hours, Dayan called me up.
Ronnie: Leila De Lima
De Lima ordered me to meet with someone at the Mall of Asia’s parking building in Pasay City.
“Itine-text na lang ako ni o sinasabihan ako ni Ma’am, “punt aka sa ganito, magkikita kayo ulit ni ano.”
Ronnie denied that it was Espenido who had introduced him to Kerwin. “Hindi ko po kilala ‘yan,” he said during the November 24, 2016 hearing at the House of Representatives.
Espenido, during the Nov. 23 Senate hearing, also denied knowing Dayan. “Hindi ko kilala ‘yon,” he said when he was asked by Sen. Richard Gordon to comment on Espinosa’s claim that it was he who introduced Kerwin to Ronnie.
4. DID RONNIE KNOW WHAT THE MONEY FROM KERWIN WAS FOR?
Kerwin: Yes. Dayan told me on the phone that De Lima was looking for funds for her senatorial campaign.
Ronnie: No. I was just instructed by De Lima to pick up the money from someone. "Inutasan lang po ako ni Ma'am na may kukunin po ako sa kanya."
5. WHEN AND WHERE DID RONNIE AND KERWIN FIRST MEET?
Kerwin: In August 2015 at the fifth floor of the SM Mall of Asia parking building in Pasay City, two days after we talked over the phone
Ronnie: In August 2014 at the SM Mall of Asia parking area
"Pagparada ko po do’n, may dumating na van na puti tapos binuksan niya po ‘yong pinto—sliding po kasi ‘yong pinto niya sa gilid. Binuksan ko ‘yong sa bintana ng Fortuner, nakita ko na po siya, nakilala ko po siya na siya si Kerwin,"
"May inabot po sa akin na paper bag—maliit lang po—inabot niya po sa akin, kinuha ko po, nilagay ko sa harap ng passenger [side]. Sabi niya po, ‘Ito na yung para kay Ma’am.’
6. HOW MANY TIMES DID RONNIE AND KERWIN MEET?
Kerwin: Four times – August 2015; October 2015; November 2015; and February 2016
Ronnie: Five times – Once in August 2014, once in October 2014, and thrice in November 2014
During the November 24 hearing at the House of Representatives, Ronnie said it couldn’t be possible that he had met Kerwin in 2015 because he had already resigned as De Lima’s staffer in February 2015.
Asked by a lawmaker about Kerwin's claim that their meetings took place in 2015, Dayan said, "Hindi na siguro ako ‘yon.”
7. WHEN AND IN WHAT PLACES DID KERWIN AND RONNIE MEET?
Kerwin: In August 2015 at the Fifth Floor parking building of SM Mall of Asia in Pasay City
Ronnie: In August 2014 at the Fifth Floor of SM Mall of Asia in Pasay City
Kerwin: October 2015 at the “Dampa” restaurant along Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard in Pasay City where businesswoman and former singer Claire dela Fuenta also operates a restaurant
Note: There’s a place called Seaside Dampa Macapagal along the said boulevard where there are stalls selling fresh seafood and restaurants along the strip where the seafood can be cooked. A restaurant called “Claire dela Fuente Grill and Seafood” is also found in the same area.
Ronnie: October 2014 at the “Dampa” restaurant along Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard in Pasay City
Kerwin: November 2015 in Baguio City
Dayan brought me to Burnham Park where he introduced me to De Lima. Then Dayan and I went to the parking lot at Burnham where I gave Dayan the money. We then went back to the park and posed for a picture with De Lima along with my wife.
Ronnie: November 2014 at the SM Mall of Asia in Pasay City
Kerwin: February 2016 at the fourth floor of SM Mall of Asia Building-A’s parking area in Pasay City
Note: During his November 24 testimony at the House, Dayan said that he was in Pangasinan in February 2016 – the time that Kerwin claimed that he met with Dayan at SM MOA.
Ronnie: November 2014 at the SM Mall of Asia in Pasay City
Kerwin: Didn’t mention a fifth meeting with Ronnie in his November 23 testimony before the Senate
Ronnie: November 2014 in Baguio City
“’Yung panghuli po ay sa Baguio kami nag-abutan sa parking lot ng Alexandria Residence kung saan naka-check-in si Kerwin. Dumating si Kerwin doon ng November 19, 2014. Nagmeet kami, kasama na si Ma’am, November 22, 2014.
8. WHILE THEY WERE IN BAGUIO, WHERE EXACTLY DID KERWIN GIVE MONEY TO RONNIE?
Kerwin: At a parking lot in Burnham Park
Ronnie: At the parking lot of Alexandria Residence where Kerwin was staying
Note: During his November 23 testimony before the Senate, Kerwin mentioned that in November 2015 -- the time when he met Dayan and De Lima - he stayed at Alessandra Residencia. There is a place on Palma Street in Baguio called Residencia Alekzandra, which is just a walking distance to Burnham Park.
9. HOW DID RONNIE INTRODUCE KERWIN TO DE LIMA WHILE THEY WERE IN BAGUIO?
Kerwin: Before I handed the money to Dayan, he introduced me to De Lima as Batman.
“Bago ko i-abot ang pera, in-introduced na n’ya (Dayan) ako, ‘Ma’am, si Batman.’”
Ronnie: “Hindi po [No, I didn’t],” was Dayan’s reply when he was asked by a legislator during the November 24 hearing at the House if he had introduced Kerwin to De Lima as Batman.